German Healing Knowledge for Pain with Andi Locke Mears

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Hello, is bill the knee pain guru, and welcome to the pain education podcast, brought to you by the comella Foundation.

Today we have a special guest, andi locke Mears, who’s gonna share with us. Now, before this, we arranged this, I had never heard of germanic new medicine, so this is brand new to me, so I’d like to… Andi I’d like to welcome you to the show today.

Thank you so much, Bill, it’s wonderful to be here.

Okay, well, share with his normally everybody, time to show it has a unique path to get here, to get to this place, would you share, how did your life lead you to the Germanic… New healing, new medicine.

A yes. And don’t feel bad that you’ve never heard of is, because most people have not… It is brand new in America, literally in North America, and it’s not that well known in Europe either, and that’s where it originates to… No worry there, but I took a very securities route to be here then in that the healing field, wellness field since the mid-70s and finally get super serious about it in the early 90s, and went around North America, literally getting different kinds of certifications, homeopathy and nutrition and herbal medicine, lots of different things, lots of different things, and just kept putting another feather in my cap and finally opened up a wellness center in 2006. That was in Maine. I was very successful from the day I opened, and it was… Kept me extremely busy. Around 2008, I started realizing… Well, before that, at that point, I’m still learning, I’m still getting trainings and certifications, and I realize that every time I couldn’t help someone, I’m like, Why can’t I help them with this diet, this herb, or whatever it is that they’re working on, with all of my tool box, why couldn’t I help everyone? So I would really perplexed, kept getting new certifications, just kept adding to the tool box, and then around 2008, I came across something on the internet that said German new medicine, and I thought for…

What is that? I’ve never heard of it. And so what they said on the website, whatever website it was, made no sense, and yet intuitively, I was like, Okay, this is important, I don’t know how… I don’t know what it is, but it’s important. So I thought, Well, I’m just gonna buy the book, and I’ll read it, and I was working 65 plus hours a week in my wellness one, so it’s not like I had a lot of spare time, so I bought the book and… Let me find it. It’s right here. It is, you’ll see the chart behind me is the chart, and This is it in book form, and this is kind of what it looks like, Verdi’s.

Extremely not a pitch, it’s not a picture book.

Not even though there’s graphics, and then they make the… Nandi got the book thinking, Okay, I’ll figure out what this is and see if it’s anything I really need to learn. Well, the book made no sense, I did not know how to understand it, I had no framework on what is this, so it took a year for me to… Every few months, I’d pull it out and said, Oh, I can figure this out, and I couldn’t… So after a year, it was in early 2009, I said, Okay, I just have to figure out what this is, ’cause it seems important, but I have no idea how… So I’ve been up to Canada, and in the first 30 minutes of the first workshop, I totally understood how to read the book, it was a key in a lock, and he opened it right up. I got back home on Monday night, and Tuesday morning, I started using this with my clients, I barely understood it, but it’s like, I’ve got the book, I can figure this out, so I started working immediately with it, and when I did, I realized it was the missing piece for not just me and my modalities, I was a traditional naturopath at this point, but for everyone, whether you’re a physician, a massage therapist, a hypnotherapist, it fills in all the gaps.

Okay, is great. What… You said the mid-70s is when you started getting involved in the moment, health and wellness. What was the motivation for you? What was the open the… Some people have just a genuine curiosity for things… Me, I had dislocated my left knee four times in our… To be like… Was there anything on your end that happened or going out in your life or that some people, it’s like, Well, my grandmother was telling me about this stuff or something like that, so… What was your path?

I know, and people ask me that, they all think I had some horrible disease that I healed myself from and I didn’t… However, I will say my birth set me up for this, and so I had no choice but to follow this kind of path because my birth literally set me up for it, so I was born and I was really angry because I was ready to be born, but the doctor wasn’t there yet, so they need to… The nurses made sure I didn’t come out. Oh, and I was really upset. My grandmother who was there said I look like a prize fighter when I was born.

I get the fish.

Was pretty much fishes age 70, the local physician who lived in our neighborhood stopped by ’cause I had a sore throat, and he came in… By that time, a 7, this is the mid-60s, I’m thinking, some things going on, I’m not sure what… And he asked me, Do you have any allergies? And I said, Well, I think I’m allergic to red candy, because I get a rash after a red candy… Now, this is for dyes were even known about that could have caused issues. He looked at me like I was crazy. Anyway, he prescribed a medicine for me and he said It’s just like red candy, and then he did this thing with it is alike this… And I didn’t know what that meant. He ranked at me. But I didn’t know what that meant. What I’m thinking is, this guy is an idiot. I just told him I can’t eat that. And he gives it to me, it’s like so… Right away from the minute I was born, I did not believe in the medical model I have currently by age 12, I was in analytic Health By 17. I was teaching other people how to eat properly, what I…

A, that’s my story.

Yeah, no, it’s great and I think… And I believe if we’re clear on our path and we have that supportive environment, then we could just walk on our path and do our thing, but sometimes we didn’t have that supportive environment growing up or whatever it was, so the injury or the disease or whatever it is in our life. Is a course correction or at least? An opportunity for a course correction. So I’m glad to hear you didn’t need to course correct. To totally agree with you. Okay, that’s awesome. I love that. So tell me… Let’s dig into the Germanic new medicine approach. Okay, tell us about it.

So there are three names you’ll find on the Internet, German new medicine, GM Germanic new medicine, or German Kahuna is Carmen for roughly Germanic healing knowledge. Okay, so this story starts in the late 70s, 1978, in fact, and it follows one man, a physician, a German physician, who received the phone call one day that his teenage son had been shot accidentally while he was on vacation in Italy, so he and his wife, obviously rushed to their son’s side, and after four agonizing months, his son died in his arms. Now, here he is, a physician traditionally trained, very smart man, had developed patterns that are still used today to surgical instruments, forward-thinker. An amazing man, his son dies a short time after that, he had testicular cancer, he was diagnosed with testicular cancer, Chand, he’s like, Okay, wait a minute, there’s… I don’t understand why I have this, I’ve always been healthy, but I had this huge trauma and now I have a diagnosis, there’s got to be a correlation. Now, you and I might go to body mind spirit, he’s not going there. He’s not.

A German. He very structured. Yes, at. Got it.

Exactly. Even though he definitely had an ability about him that was very unusual, he also had a Dupre and theology, and he spoke ancient languages. Who does this right? The time become… And.

What was his name?

Name is Dr. Rick guard hammer. Dr. Hammer. Okay. Yep. So he started, he has her dream, he got through his cancer and he was just convinced that there was some correlation here, so by this time he was working at the University of Munich, he was working with cancer cancer patients, and they had that new… That new invention called the CT scan, so he’s like, I’m gonna look at people’s brains, maybe there’s something there that talks about how we all have cancer, so he did CT scans of everyone in his clinic and he saw in everyone’s CT scan a circle, a lesion like a targeted ring formation in different areas of the brain. What was that? So you started talking with his patients, and he learned that all of them had had some sort of trauma prior to their diagnosis, then you realized that all of the men with testicular cancer had all had a profound loss conflict, they all lost someone who was close to them, so he started to really look at, Well, what kind of trauma did they have, and he’s taking their CT scan, the trauma that they had, and he starts linking it together, this took a while, and he realized that everyone who had the circle in the same area in the brain, all had the same kind of cancer, they all had the same trauma, the circle in the brain was in the same location, and they all had the same diagnosis of cancer, so there were no exception to this and.

What was the trauma? It was a loss or a testicular cancer. Yes.

It was a lot. Cross profound. Last conflict. So what I’d like to do is show you the heart and soul of G and M, and I will share my screen to do that.

So… Yeah, we’re all set. I think you can… You’re able to do that it…

Can you see my slide? Yes. Okay, just making sure. Alright, so this is the two-phase pattern of two bays diagram and GM, and it really explains Dr. Hammers findings. So you’ll see a horizontal line through the middle here, think of this a inspires our daytime from our night time nervous system, so over here, this is us, we go through a circadian rhythm in every 24-hour cycle, above the line is our sympathetic nervous system, our daytime nervous system below the line is our parasympathetic nervous system, our nighttime go to sleep, rest and digest, then we have a 24-hour cycle, so in here, or awake or asleep, or awake or asleep, and we all have that kind of rhythm, and then we have some sort of shock, it’s something unexpected that shocks our nervous system… He called it a DHS after his son, jerk Hummer syndrome. So what happens when we’ve had a big loss, let’s say we have a job that we love and were fired one day and we had no idea that was coming, and were just stunned… Oh my gosh, what just happened? So instantly, one of three programs instantly, the circle is impacts in the brain, it’s called a hammer focus, we all have them, and it’s instant upon a conflict shack, that’s unexpected.

Instantly, one of three programs begins in the body, there are no cells multiplying somewhere in the body, cell growth, there is so lost, we’re losing cells, there’s an ulceration somewhere, or there’s functional loss and organ begins to under-function. The reason we do this is so that our body can better manage that conflict shock we just experienced, so for growing more cells, it’s making an organ is stronger, so we can then be more in a position to resolve that conflict and sang with the other two. So now we’ve got a circle on the brain, we have a program running in the body, and we are now conflict active, and you can see in phase one, so our nervous system is heightened, we’re in fight or flight, we are running from a saber tooth tiger, it’s like, Oh my gosh, I have to get another job. What am I gonna do? How will I die my family? We have all kinds of things going through our brain in that moment, and I will say that the purpose of these programs literally is to help us better manage the conflict, so at some point we resolve the conflict, and that’s gonna be the second green box here.

Let’s say two months later, we get another job and that totally resolves the conflict, we’re fine, but we grow cells or lost cells are low functioning for two months, so now our body needs to restore itself back to homeostasis, so we finished phase one. Now we interface to… So as you can see, our nervous system were below the line, so now we’re tired, we’re fatigued, there will be pain and swelling and inflammation, because if we grow cells for two months, we’re now going to break those down and get rid of them. We don’t need them any longer. If we lost calls for two months, but we will now patch in those holes, so to speak.

And let me interrupt you just for a second. So the example you were using was the testicular cancer that Dr. Hammer had a diagnosed himself as well as other people, he made that correlation, we’re talking the same about pain, is this…

Or I’m getting to the pain, the pain is coming next to.

The… Bringing the pain, and he.

Reports what happens is when we are in this phase A, we are replenishing the cells, we’re breaking them down, we will have pain because this hurts, there’s more edema and swelling in the circle in the brain and on the organ or tissue level, this is painful, it is what we call being sick. Alright, okay, so we have the edema, it’s in the circle in the brain, it’s protecting the brain, we have the edema in some place in our body, wherever the organ impacted, whichever the organ that was impacted is, and now it’s fallen and now we have pain. Now, we know that that pain is because of the swelling, the edema that’s occurring in the body, in the frame in the body, at some point, we no longer need that edema, we can get rid of it. And that is called the epileptic crisis. It’s halfway through the healing phase, if we have done everything just right, we’ve resolved this program, we’ve got another job, and now we’re fine, we’ve settled into our new job, that’s when I will go into this healing phase, this post-conflict phase will be sick, will have pain, and at some point, we get rid of it, so imagine having a fever, we’ve all had a fever, and then at some point your fever breaks…

Well, that breaking was the Epi crisis, it was the pushing out of the liquid in the circle in the brain on on the organ level. Now, the pain has reduced naturally, now we go into Phase B, and this is the Scarface phase, the area in the brain is kinda shared over, the connective tissue is shared up, and the organ and tissue are also shared up. It’s a different kind of pain. However, you can still have a pain residue here, once you’re back to your day-night cycle, you’re back to what we call normanton, your normal day night cycle. And there’s no more pain, no, that’s a perfect example. You lose your job, you have a conflict, shock, you get another job, and now you resolve the whole program, what happens when that came doesn’t go away, because that’s probably what most of the folks in your line of work… That’s why they’re coming to you, it’s like, I have all this pain, I can’t get rid of it. So this gets a little bit more complicated. However, what’s happening is that when we’re partway through this phase, maybe we took a pharmaceutical to reduce our pain, maybe we had another impact, another conflict shock that makes us conflict active again, at any rate, what happens is we end up on a hamster wheel…

Okay, do we have a shock that puts us back here, there’s less pain here or no pain, nowhere conflict active. Now we resolve that. Now we go back into a pain stage, so think of a seasonal allergy, so every spring time I’m miserable, I start my histamine reaction, that just means there is something in the spring time that you had a conflict that you’ve never really resolved when you’re away from the spring time, time, then your body resolves it, but as soon as spring starts up again, your body says, Oh, you’ve had a danger with this, we gotta start this domination again. So at the moment of the shock, and here’s the clincher, at this moment, your psyche, your subconscious picks up on everything around you, the season, the weather, what you just ate, who you just talk to, what the emotion is, you’re feeling everything. Any one of those is an element that can start this whole program all over again, pain itself can start this program all over again, so let’s say you have a car accident and you have some whiplash, and we know that doctors would know that, Okay, you’ll be fine in six weeks, let’s say it’s six months later and you still have whiplash, that’s because you’ve had a conflict shock that has kept you on this pattern, you haven’t been able to finish the program and for all.

Okay, okay, so let me stop that and come back to you.

That certainly that… Are we talking about… And this is what we were having a conversation right before we started recording, my perspective on what I do to help people, in your perspective, is this that conflict shock, that dynamic around, let’s say the seasonal allergies or the whiplash. We’ve got the situation where I got hit by the semi and now I’m in this conflict shock happened, and anything that’s in and around of like that experience can throw me right back into that experience again. Are we talking about trauma? That’s how I would… In my mind, how I would translate it. Translate that.

Right. And so, I understand that, and so trauma is a big buzzword right now, and there’s a lot of what one of our trauma… Which is awesome. We absolutely need that.

We got a lot of them.

Yeah, absolutely. And I’m gonna say that not all trauma is a conflict shock… Okay, so the conflict shock is biological. It is not your mind, it is your biology saying, Oh, oh, this is unexpected, because it’s unexpected, we’re not sure we’re safe, we need to start a program to help us survive. Right. Contactor is that’s what a conflict shockingly. Okay, and there are our emotions associated with it, there’s a thought process associated with it, of course, I lost my job, oh my gosh, what am I gonna do it? It’s all those feelings and things, but that isn’t what causes a program to begin, what causes it is the unexpected-ness and our psyche are subconscious saying, Oh, we are hard-wired for survival, this is a survival issue. We need to start a program to adapt our tissues to help us survive this program.

Experience. So then, what would be the example of a conflict shock that would be a trauma or… Well, we don’t know. I guess we don’t know. Right, it depends on how the adaptability of the person is a contextual based on the person who had that experience.

Exactly, so I don’t give the example, you’re in a bank robbery, you’re just standing in line at the bank and suddenly Robert comes in and points a gun at you, and let’s say there’s three people in the lobby and one of them might have a death… Right. Conflict, oh my God, I’m gonna die and that’s gonna impact in the lungs, some Yelp might think, How dare come into my bank and that will be a territorial marking conflict, so that’s a Y in the healing phase or somebody else, maybe the robber pushes them and Der psyche interprets that as an attack conflict, so they will have a melanoma in the healing phase comes… It all depends on who you are, all of who you are, your birth order, your personality, your parents, the culture of your family, all of that makes up who you are, and just how your psyche, your subconscious perceives that event…

Mm-hmm. Okay, I have a personal example. This was a few years ago, I found out I was working with an osteopath at the time, and I had had an issue, we’re ahead of the name is escaping me, but I was having difficulty with my body healing, Small scratches, they wouldn’t… My nervous system was kind of shot, I had some Trump trauma… Basically, I’m gonna ask you what your perspective of it would be, but this was around Blackberry thorns, just a little nick from a Blackberry thorn, and it would get systemic, it was systemic where it was in my system where I couldn’t heal what was going on from that… I’m really wanting to think of the word.

Where your symptoms systemic then…

Yes, it didn’t matter.

It was it just on your skin, it just… Whether they weren’t healing.

They weren’t healing and it… It would kind of heal over, not really heal over, but they would swell up, they would never actually get to over the hump of the heel, so it was a systemic… Something systemic that was going on in my nervous system, I worked with an osteopath on it, just way, next, next level, and he was working with vibration through the heel that released the shock from a legal thing that had come out of the blue. Okay, so that was my situation in scenario that had been going on, so how would the Germanic new medicine approach… How would that be? A conflict shock or would that be trauma or…

You have to go deeper than that, but on the surface level, just getting scratched is not a conflict shock… Right, that’s just a Anita.

Accident. So the conflict shock would have been when they got served with papers.

If you got surgery papers, you were conflict-active, you were in a heathen, you’re injured in a heightened state, and so your body is not in a healing position, right there, it’s further fight or flight which is why you’re just not gonna heal that until your nervous system comes down so that then you can go, Remember below the line in what we call that Catania, that’s when you heal, we don’t heal when we’re conflict active.

Got it. Okay, well, you see, that’s a perfect example. Okay, kids, all the listeners at home. That’s my own personal example of how we disconnect from the experience, my focus was on the Scratch, that wasn’t healing, so I’m focusing on that when in actuality it was months or years before, I’m not calling exactly that my nervous system had been in this fight or flight mode that my nervous system was going down and going down and going down, that wasn’t able to heal when summer came, and I was in the woods in shorts with Blackberry thorns and then I have this issue. So this is a disconnect why we need outside help and support to see what’s going on with pain with anything we’re dealing with.

You have to look at the bigger picture when it comes to pain, because most people look at, Oh, I’ve got pain in my stomach, I hear that all the time. It’s like, Okay, in GM, we have to find the body part, because an organ may have two or three or four or five biological programs that run, so we have to figure out which part of that organ has been affected and then… You know what the conflict was. And then that’s when we can help you in moving through it and resolve it at… Your pain goes away.

Okay, cool. So now, when you work with a client, someone were to come to you with… Most guests like to choose the knee, okay, they would take the knee, you… They’re filling out a questionnaire that you’re asking them their experience, are you… Is it like a… Check lining it up. Is this more of… Some people that I’ve interviewed, they do muscle testing, how are you zeroing in on exactly what you need to do for them to get help.

Right, so my health history form is set up so that I get the information I need to help them best, so I’m finding out what’s your number one symptom you wanna work with, what’s going on that why are you coming to me? And what’s the very number one thing… Now, some people will write down a diagnosis, which is okay, but again, I need the body part, so I look at that and it’s like, Okay, that could be three or four body parts, it all depends on what they’re experiencing, then I’m also looking at their list of traumas, and there are approximate dates, because the trauma, the conflict Shack would have occurred before the pain… Before the issue. Okay, gotcha. We develop a timeline.

Now, how far back are you going, how extensive is the process… ’cause we can go back. It could have had birth trauma, they could be showing up… Were.

Can go back to ureters.

Trimester. I go up where we’re fighting, right after we’re ready to fight. The were born. Exactly. So in utero, how are you able to zero in on that?

Usually, people understand what was going on in their life when they were born, they hear stories, family story awaits going on, so they have an idea if their mom is still alive, then we can ask her as well. Okay, now we don’t usually go back that far, but sometimes we do, especially for something like an injury, we don’t go back that far. We go back to the injury and maybe a little bit previous to that.

Previous to the injuries, so you’re zeroing in more on the context of the injury, but then it’s kind of like the sweater, you pull on the water, it starts to unravel and it’s like, Oh, well, all these other things that happened.

Right, and that’s true for skeletal issues now, for organ pain, that’s a little different, that’s a little more intense… Well, I don’t know if intense is the related word, but we do more digging, Alitalia is pretty easy to move through, so it doesn’t take a whole lot to do that only… And.

If you’re talking… So for instance, any issue, we can begin to tie my issues in with organ systems, with meridians and things like that in the body, depending on the approach. So are you time you start on a muscular skeletal system and then we can end up with something going on with the kidneys and the adrenals or… I don’t know. Not at all, no.

No. That would be a whole different system, and so that would be your traditional Chinese medicine. Okay, and what Acupuncture S realized is that GM is a perfect fit with the… I work with a lot of acupuncturist, and GM gives them the last element they need to help that next person.

And in what way is it because there’s not a vein overlap isn’t the correct word, but there is a complimentary fit to it.

Yes, so when you look at Chinese medicine, it is the art of observation, they are observing the changes that are biological programs have in the body, so if you’re looking at GM, they just don’t know that they are, and they use a whole different language, but once they at once they meld those two together, they have a whole new perspective and can use their needles of their herbs in a different fashion.

Kasey are able to use the needles or their herds in a different fashion in the locations of the needles or the technique or from…

I don’t know. You’d have to.

Have to ask you.

Exists know that they’re able to be more effective when they used Dan, with what they’re doing, folks that if they’re just doing straight acupuncture and they’re having a hard time with someone when truly everything they’re doing should work and it’s not then that’s when gen comes in, gives them a missing piece, then they change whatever they’re doing and they get better results.

Got it. And there’s a practitioner coming to you, or this is a client that would be working with an acupuncturist, that would be like, Hey, I’m working with the acupuncturist, and we hit this glass ceiling, I’m not changing, and you’re giving a different perspective that they then go back to the acupuncturist…

Well, generally not. Usually, if acupuncturist feel like they need more information, that what they’re doing isn’t as effective as they want it to be, then they will eventually perhaps find Gen and get trained. So they can use it with their clients. Now, I do have people who… Clients of mine who do go to acupuncture and their acupuncturist is not interested in learning GM, so that person was kind of left with, Okay, I’ve got to bridge this myself, and they can do that to a point…

Okay, now, my brain is going in the direction of what are you giving to your client to help them… What does that look like? That’s.

A great question. Because everyone always asks, Well, what do I do now? Now that I know my conflict shock, I know why I have it, what do I do? And that’s the… What I always say is, there’s seven billion people on this planet, so there are seven billion responses, so that’s individual to that person, and that’s what… I work with them to figure that out. Now, if they’re on that hamster wheel, they’ve got that knee pain that they’ve had for years and it’s not going away, we determine what’s the conflict shock and what keeps it active, what keeps them on that hamster wheel, once we figure that out, then sometimes the pain is instantly gone. I love it. When that works. It doesn’t happen all the time, but sometimes it does. Okay, if it doesn’t, then they’re working on, Okay, I need to change how I look at this. Okay, and becomes its own track, so pain, pain. So we gotta try to downgrade that, maybe I’ll do some herbs or supplements or something that will help boost their body, so their psyche then sees, Oh, I’m feeling better, at the same time, they’re working on not getting triggered over and over again.

Okay, the word that comes to mind that you had said once you recognize this pattern that they’re on, this conflict, shock, and you gain that awareness and it resolves itself, it… Quantum is the word that’s popping into my head where the observer changes the observed… The awareness provides the mode for change, and just the recognition of the pattern changes the pattern, so now you’re working with the client in a way to bring to their conscious awareness, the pattern that they’re in, and the pattern changes just because they’re now aware of the pattern that they’re in.

Exactly. And so it’s a journey that we go on now, I often know instantly what’s going on and why, but I can’t just tell them that they have to discover it for themselves because I’m looking for that transformation to occur inside them. So I take them on a journey to help find it… Okay. The answers are within.

Yes, sure, certainly. That’s why we can’t find them…

Yeah, exactly. GM hides the roadmap. That’s the need, because Dr. Hammer mapped out the entire brain, so we know what’s going on with… Pretty much everything.

Got it. Well, once again, once you understand, Here’s a level and it’s the same sort of questions that I get when people ask me how I help people out of knee pain, is that while we create comfort by working with the intrinsic movement of the joint, and which allows a neurological change for the neurology of the need to reorganize the body to re-organize around the knee, and then the body is more comfortable. Okay, well, how do we do that by working with the intrinsic movement of the joint, it’s gonna be differently each person, so it leaves… There’s a certain leap of faith that the person must have walking into a session or working with me, working with you. You had mentioned herbs, homeopathic, are there other tools that you use besides… That.

I will traditional natural paths when… After use just about anything, I would use a lot of proteolytic and signs as well. To reduce inflammation that we have in the CLA phase, the healing case, and when we’re stuck on that hamster wheel, we’re in a chronic cycle, then we need to just support the body because it knows how to heal, it’s just stuck, so it’s part the body as much as we can… And then we’re working on refining and you can help them, you are helping them reframe in a whole different way, which is why you’re effective, anyone who’s working with skeletal muscular issues is probably helping them reframe in some way, shape or form. They go to a massage therapist and then they feel better afterwards… Okay, the psyche sees that. It knows that. So it’s now lifted itself out of that healing face a bit.

Okay, I’m following you. Now, when you work with somebody with knee pain, you begin to recognize the pattern that they’re in, you give them homeopathic Serbs.

I usually don’t… Usually they come to me after having done so many supplements and they’re so frustrated because they didn’t work… Okay, that’s who I usually get. It’s like they’ve been to all the functional medicine doctors, they’ve been to all the everything and they… They’re just so fed up. They don’t usually do things. So I don’t usually I can and I will… If they’re looking for, What can I take and I make sure they understand, this is simply supporting the process, in order to resolve this pain, you have to finish it up in your psyche, in your nervous system, it has to shift on a subconscious level. Now, if that homeopathy in that ER can help them to shift for it, but it doesn’t do the job, you have to also work at it.

Gotcha. Yeah. Okay, and this is where I’ve had many times, I’ve had lots of really awesome mentors in my life, and there’s a place where I knew I needed to do the work and asking questions wasn’t going to clarify anything at all, so you… In a way, when I look at that chart, the new dramatic healing looks really complicated, but in actuality, it’s super.

Simple. Really is. It really is, yes. If you wanna learn it all, you can spend years learning it, and I’m still learning it, however, what somebody… What one person needs is not that hard, and it’s all common sense, we’re not talking… You’ve gotta go learn a new foreign language here, you don’t have to learn German, lotto do need to look inside yourself in some way, shape or form, and we… We do not analyze toilet training, this is not psychotherapy, we do not do that at all about simply interrupting the pattern, you need to react mind if it just triggered the program again, we need to instantly distract it, so the conflict active phase is less. And that’s the healing phase will be less.

Okay, it’s amazing. Well, is there anything else that…

I think that the biggest thing for folks is they wanna click fix, and especially when they’ve tried to everything, they’ve been in pain for years and years, and they want a quick fix is not a quick fix, and yet for some people, it is… You know, and I can… Righteou.

You align with the nervous state, nervous system defaults to healing, that’s all it wants to do, it’s just gotta get out of the way. We gotta remove what is in the way preventing it from doing so…

Yes, and so that’s all it is, it’s just getting out of that cycle by recognizing it and changing how you look at it, instead of responding with anger, now we’re gonna respond with compassion or acceptance, and right there, or we haven’t triggered that program, so now the pain does not develop. Got it. Or maybe like baby steps, maybe a little bit less.


Exactly, exactly. So I don’t work with everyone where they’re at… Okay. Yes, yes, that’s really important. But what I do in my initial course, I have a foundational course for people, and there’s eight activity sheets in it, because you have to understand how it works in your body, so you’re learning the theory of it and then you’re relating it to your symptoms, and that is very, very important, because you have to have a connection inside your body, and I’m speaking about practitioners who take my course, you have to work on yourself first before you can help others, so I’m looking for that transformation and folks…

Okay, so you work with both clients who would be looking for support with their pain, and then you also do training as well for those who would interest in… To be a practitioner?

Correct, yes. And I tend to do more training, I consult with my students mostly, but I also run a mentorship program, so that there’s only so many hours in the day for me, so if somebody comes in and needs some help, I’m able to bring them over to one of the people who have been through my course and I’m in tandem and we work together, and that just raise me up a little bit because I’m training… I’m literally all over the world right now, virtually. So there’s a group of practitioners absolutely. That are very, very good with pain and any other disease or program that you are running, and.

That was the organization… You were telling me about it.

This is it. This is a little bit different. So there are two things here. I have my mentor program, and it’s called G-N-M care, and that’s on my website, and you can find a mentor, and I also run an international organization that is for practitioners who use MGH with their clients, and it’s basically support and networking and education as well as the different organization to different things, my is G-N-M care and lakes dot com, but it’s the GM care program. Those are my mentees. I work with them to help more clients out, and then the GK global dot-org organization, halal… Got it. And those the folks that are all across North America in Australia.

Okay, and we had spoken about before on our first call, do you work with clients… I guess I’m assuming you work with clients remotely…

Yes, yes, at this point, it’s all remote and it was for several years before the 2020 occurred. 202 that year, that year. Yes. It’s all we met. Yes.

Awesome, so you would be available, and this is something that we’re working on setting up through the camel foundation, essentially like a portal where we would have one of our members does muscle testing, can do remote muscle testing, so they could go down and figure out someone who is looking for help with pain, it’s like, I need help, I don’t know who to ask. And you got this big laundry list of people and all their names would look the same because, well, that’s what happens when you’re in pain, that you would be able to have a real quick five-minute, 10-minute muscle testing session with her that could then go, Oh, and I would be able to help you here, you could watch the interview that she did with you, and then you can sign up for a consultation with her…

Right, it would either be with me or one of my people… Right.

Exactly. And that’s where… How we can figure that out. Work out the details. Offline, you can work out what would make sense, but… Yeah, that’s kind of cool. That’s exciting. Yeah, yeah, it’s awesome. Do you have anything else you would… Anything that we talked about, I know it kinda got to this place where it’s like, when you explained everything, I was like, Bill didn’t have any more questions at that because it’s simple, it’s simple like my approach, it’s simple, and a lot of times that many… It’s difficult, especially when you’re in pain, especially when you’re trying to figure things out, to be like, Oh, that’s it. Come in, there’s kind of me more, but right.

You can definitely be that simple and that easy, and for some people it is for other folks, it takes a little bit more, and that’s why Dr. Hammer said that When you know GM, it’s all about personal development, so it really means, okay, now it’s time to develop new skills on how to live inside your head, and this is the ultimate personal development growth that needs to occur for you with that particular pain. So it’s quite an amazing, amazing journey, and I’ve seen to miracles occur.

Coolie, some well… And is there, is there anything else you’d like to share?

I’m just racking my brain. There must be some ties.

There must be something… Well, I’ll tell you what, we could leave it open for a future… Have you on the podcast again in the future, if there’s something that comes up, specific topic or something that you’re working with, that you’re like, Hey, this would be good to talk a bill about, we can record it and make it something we could share.

Absolutely, and if people watching this have questions, we could compile our questions and get on and do another one and answer those questions.

Totally, that sounds good.

Yeah, that sounds great, thank you so much, Bill.

Well, Andy, I wanna thank you so much for being here. This was fun.

Yeah, absolutely, I love what you’re doing that.

Okay, well, once again, thank you, Andy, for being here. This is Bill parravano, the knee pain guru. On behalf of the pain education podcast, brought to you by The comella Foundation. Just appreciating, so grateful for everything, and I wish you a wonderful day and have a wonderful day and we’ll see everybody on the next video.

Take care of everyone. Goby.

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